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Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Dspisak (IP Logged)
Date: April 06, 2008 10:12PM

Ohio Green Party Calls for State Health Care Insurance, Bob Hagan Doesn’t.

The Ohio Green Party Supports the Health Care for All Ohioans Act means health insurance coverage for every Ohioan regardless of income, residence, age, or prior medical condition.

The Health Care for All Ohioans Act will pool the money we are already spending health care into one state fund that pay’s everyone’s medical bills including hospitalization, doctors’ visits, prescription drugs, vision, dental, and home care.

It will make care affordable for all with no premiums, no co-pays, and no deductibles.

It will permit Ohio to negotiate on a state level with drug companies to get Canada-like prices.

It will eliminate administrative waste and limit administrative costs to 5% or less and will play for preventive medicine to reduce illness and costs associated with chronic and debilitating diseases.

Unfortunately, most Democrats and Republicans like current state Representative Bob Hagan who took campaign contributions from insurance corporations like Medical Mutual Inc. prefer to keep health care under the control of insurance companies and HMO’s, whose demand for profit has left 1.5 million Ohioans with no health insurance and millions more who have inadequate coverage.

As the Independent Green Party Candidate for State Representative for the 60th district, I will demand the Health Care for All Ohioans Act be passed and refuse to take money from insurance and health care corporations.

Our Health Care System is broken. It’s time to fix it. If not now, when?

Dennis Spisak
Independent Green Party Candidate for State Representative-60th district
Campaign site: [votespisak.tripod.com]
Visit our healthcare and progressive work programs links page.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Something fishy (IP Logged)
Date: April 07, 2008 01:14AM

"The Health Care for All Ohioans Act will pool the money we are already spending health care into one state fund that pay’s everyone’s medical bills including hospitalization, doctors’ visits, prescription drugs, vision, dental, and home care."


Tell me if I'm reading that correctly. When you say the money we are already spending, you really mean the money that I am paying to a private company of my own choosing.


When you say we are going to pool that money, you are really saying that you are going to forcefully take that money through taxes, and then redispurse it to the bums, slackers and crackheads that refuse to get jobs.

In other words, you would take away my choice, and force me to pay into an already corrupt government system.

The Government screws up every thing they touch. I don't want them messing with my healthcare too.

You are a Socialist that believes in total Government control. I will fight your candidacy every step of the way.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Dspisak (IP Logged)
Date: April 07, 2008 08:47PM

Mr. Fishy:

Let's take a look at what's wrong with the current system of health care you support and want:

1.5 million Ohioans have no health insurance and millions more have inadequate coverage.

People who do not have insurance are only one illness or job change away from losing it.

Thousands of Americans die each year because they can't afford health care.

46% of personal bankrupcies are related to medical expenses.

The World Health Organization ranks the U.S. health care system 37th in quality compared to other countries.

Americans spend nearly twice as much per person on health care as any other country and get less for it.

Spending on drugs has increased by 500% since 1990.

$11.6 billion dollars is wasted annually in Ohio by complex and inefficient private health insurance system with 20% to 30% administrative overhead.

And you want to keep this system? Something is fishy if you support the current system.

That is why I support SPAN Ohio.

Dennis Spisak-Independent Green Party Candidate for State Representative-60th district.

campaign site: [votespisak.tripod.com]

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Lisa (IP Logged)
Date: April 07, 2008 09:24PM

Providing for affordable healthcare for all is very important. I would never say it is not. However, there is more wrong with the healthcare system in Ohio than the lack of coverage or the cost of coverage. Providing more people with "disease care," as Michael Moore coined it is not the solution.

The quality of care in the American "healthcare" system is deadly.

The hospitals are GROSSLY understaffed. The skill level of many of the people in the system is subpar. To make matters worse hospitals are some of the most poorly organized, error prone environments I can think of. The left hand literally does not know (or care it seems) what the right hand is doing. People are dying in the balance.

A massive overhaul of healthcare procedures is long over due in this country.

I'm one of the "lucky" who have health insurance and I am terrified of getting sick because I've yet to meet a competent, caring doctor in many years. Your just an insurance billing number in most of these places.

Let's cover everyone with health insurance, but let's make sure they are really receiving adequate services, also.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: To Something Fishy (IP Logged)
Date: April 07, 2008 11:16PM

I will be the first to tell you to go FU*k yourself.
I am living Michael Moore's Movie Sicko.

When I got fed up with the half-assed care a local Hospital Based clinic was giving me via the pathetic HCAP system here in Ohio, I protested one time too many and they threw me out cold.

I have seven chronic health issues that need monitoring. I had to scramble to try to find replacement care here. What I found is going to cost me money I don't have.
I don't qualify for SSI or Medicaide because I'm not wheelchair bound or dying yet.
I am still able to work, when I can find work that doesn't require long times of sitting or standing, both things I can not do. Thus most jobs are off limits.

I am not a Bum, I am not a Slacker and I have never done CRACK.

I don't want your Insurance Money. I want a President who has the balls to throw the GD @#$%& the hell out of this country and start spending the tax dollars for the citizens.

I'm also for any politician who will rewrite the laws to quit catering to the damn minority females who don't know how to keep their legs shut.

I've done my time, I've paid my taxes. I resent not being able to get quality healthcare when I need it.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Missy (IP Logged)
Date: April 08, 2008 12:25AM

To Something Fishy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I will be the first to tell you to go FU*k
> yourself.
> I am living Michael Moore's Movie Sicko.
>
> When I got fed up with the half-assed care a local
> Hospital Based clinic was giving me via the
> pathetic HCAP system here in Ohio, I protested one
> time too many and they threw me out cold.
>
> I have seven chronic health issues that need
> monitoring. I had to scramble to try to find
> replacement care here. What I found is going to
> cost me money I don't have.
> I don't qualify for SSI or Medicaide because I'm
> not wheelchair bound or dying yet.
> I am still able to work, when I can find work that
> doesn't require long times of sitting or standing,
> both things I can not do. Thus most jobs are off
> limits.
>
> I am not a Bum, I am not a Slacker and I have
> never done CRACK.
>
> I don't want your Insurance Money. I want a
> President who has the balls to throw the GD @#$%&
> the hell out of this country and start spending
> the tax dollars for the citizens.
>
> I'm also for any politician who will rewrite the
> laws to quit catering to the damn minority females
> who don't know how to keep their legs shut.
>
> I've done my time, I've paid my taxes. I resent
> not being able to get quality healthcare when I
> need it.


I couldnt have said or wrote it any better ..

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Something Fishy (IP Logged)
Date: April 08, 2008 09:08AM

So far the only support you have is from two liberals that want something for free, and they both wasted money on a Michael Moore movie.

I noticed that you evaded the original question by throwing out a bunch of meaningless statistics.

Say it loud so everyone can hear you. How do you plan on paying for this utopia medical plan?
Where are you going to get doctors to accept this plan? All of the good doctors will go somewhere else to make a decent living. PEOPLE DON'T WORK FOR FREE!!

Liberals need to get rid of the entitlement mentality. Government did not cause your problems. Government is not the cure for your problems. Find a way to solve your problems on your own.


Dennis

The only thing I really know about you, is what you post on here. So how about posting your resume?

Are you married? Have you raised kids of your own? Do you live at home with Mom?

Have you ever held a job where you actually had to produce something, or did you go straight from high school, to college, to teaching? Do you know how the real world works?

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: annoyed (IP Logged)
Date: April 08, 2008 11:39AM

The health care system does suck. And I hope someone soon will fix it. I have health insurance through my work. Its way to expensive but you gotta have it if you wanna get help for any medical condition. I am pregnant and cannot believe my deductible is 1000 dollars! Yeah I have that just laying around. I have already paid way more than that to my insurance but yet I still have to have a deductible before they will cover anything. Thats pretty stupid. My husband has a good job but he drives alot! So with these gas prices it is just killing his checks. I don't make bad money either but with the cost of everything going up its pretty hard to make it out on top. We tried to get on medicaid to help with the expenses of the pregnancy but of course they said we make to much money, but yet they don't take into account how much are bills are every month or my husbands student loan we are paying off. So basically even after the deductible is done being paid we still have to pay 30% and they only pay 70%. What is the freaking point of health insurance if all they do is rob you. Why have a monthly fee if we have deductibles. We are already paying you.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Dspisak (IP Logged)
Date: April 08, 2008 11:05PM

something fishy:

Yes, the money that we now pay to private insurance companies would go to an Ohio Health Care Board.

This board would determine how doctors would be paid. Just as is done today The Ohio Health Care Board will determine payment according to "customary charges". Medical professionels (not for profit health care corps.) can be seated on the Ohio Health Care Board as well as elected officials who will make these determinations. Customary charges are well-established guidleines presently in use and aren't really a factor. Salaries for doctors and nurses will be set by their employers just as they are now. Remember that SPAN's funding formula deals with eliminating profit and administrative overhead. Some payrolls may be trimmed as billing becomes more efficient. Anyone displaced as a result of enactment of the Act will be offered up to two years training including wages. The intent of the act is to offer universal health care that eleminates pre-existing conditions and disqualifications, co-pays and deductibles. It well promote wellness and preventative care, efficient administration and broaden access. It will not affect doctors and nurses wages and will require for profit corps to find their market at their own expense.

If you read the latest Reuters survey, 2/3 of American Doctors favor a single payer system over the patchwork system we presently have.


As far as my resume, I did work five years in the private sector after college before entering the education field.

I was elected to the Board of Education for the Struthers City School System in 2005.

As a Board of Education member, I was able to help take the district out of state fiscal control and debt and return the system to financial health in 2 years with the help of my fellow board members.

Also as a Struthers Board of Education member, I worked with the Save our Stadium Committee and the Board of Education to tear down and rebuild the football stadium without using additional taxpayer money.

As principal of Southern Local High School in Coulmbiana County, my school was named a “School of Promise” by the Ohio Department of Education for 2003/2004 school year. I also received a State Improvement Incentive Award for $50,000 for an 83% improvement on state proficiency tests.

I do not live with my mother. She passed away when I was 12 years old.

I am married and have 3 children, my oldest child is a first year student at YSU where I took out a loan to pay for her education.

I have 2 young sons with autism, and fight with my insurance company yearly over their treatment because my insurance company believes autism is not a "medical disability."

I know how the real world works. I deal with more real world problems on a daily basis more than you probably do.

I am a working man who pays two-thirds of my property taxes to fund my school district. I have worked hard in keeping costs down while improving education in the Struthers City Schools.

I know there is government waste, brought on by the politicians we continue to re-elect each year who are bought by lobbyists and PACS. I work everyday in trying to control government spending in my jobs. However, some people believe it's alright for the current insurance companies to have 20-30% administrative ovehead and not bat an eye.

You have every right to oppose my campaign, but the current system is broke and I am offering a solution to those individuals who can no longer survive the present
system.

Dennis Spisak-Independent Green Party Candidate for State Representative-60th district

campaign site: [votespisak.tripod.com]

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: singlemom384 (IP Logged)
Date: September 28, 2008 10:03AM

Have you ever had any economic distress. This issue would help single parents all over the state! Have you considered that there are people who are working hard that don't have enough money to pay for insurance or that don't qualify for state assistance. Your view is selfish, I need this to pass.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Government run hospitals (IP Logged)
Date: September 28, 2008 11:31AM

Let the governemnt run their own hospitals, they can offer health care at their own cost. Doctors are not going to stay in Ohio if healthcare is free for everybody. There is assistance out there, I have an in-law cousin that has had four children, no job, no health insurance,two different fathers, cigarette smoking, drug abuser,
one of the guys is in jail. It is bad enough my tax dollars will be going toward the state helping raise the kids, do I have to pay for the hospital bill for having the children.
If I had my choice I would rather have paid for a condom!

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: fedup (IP Logged)
Date: September 28, 2008 11:41AM

Why don't we address the real issues with healthcare such as costs!! We have hyperinflated healthcare costs in this country courtesy of for- profit medicine,fraud in the healthcare system is rampant (over-billing and double-billing) and how about the drug companies? When is the last time you picked up a magazine without a million drugs in it, the tv commercials, all of these things increase the costs of the medications themselves. But then we want the government to pay for our healthcare,that only raises costs and encourages fraud. The government as ineffient as they are, seems to be very poor at policing for fraud!

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: JD (IP Logged)
Date: October 30, 2008 09:48AM

I for one would like to see a government sponsored insurance plan. I have a good job (I make 70k a year) and have great health insurance (Blue Cross) yet I understand that there are many who are living without care and I believe that is an atrocity for a country as wealthy as ours to not care for one another. I can understand the "greedy little kid" sydrome for I was a member of that collective for the first 30 years of my life. It is time to grow up, see the world is bigger than your little circle and realize that we are all connected and what affects one of us, affects us all.

Private health insurance is greed based. In order for the private insurance company to increase their bottom lines every year (to make their stock holders happy) they have to either A) increase your premiums (mine are doubling next year, so are yours most likely) or cool smiley decrease costs. Option A is pretty self explanitory, option B is where things get a little grey. With option B you will need to probably reduce coverage, meaning you (and I) get to pay more out of pocket for critical surgeries or reduce their staff (more good paying jobs lost and less people now with health coverage) which has the side affect of you (and I) getting less and less customer satisfaction with the provider. You also have CEO's inflating their salaries every year and making sure they have a nice big golden parachute for when things go bad (and eventually, they will) for the company.

When you have a government system, there are no worries about bottom lines and share holders and you do not have greed filled CEO's taking millions of your dollars to pay for their comfy life (government workers have set standard salaries, none of which exceeds $100,000 I believe (the governor makes $126,000).

My guess is once we dispose of wasteful private insurance companies, the vast majority of American's will actually benefit greatly.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: FedUp (IP Logged)
Date: November 02, 2008 05:22PM

I always hear the comment " I don't want to pay the doctor bills for drug addicts and slackers ".

Sorry to be the one to break the bad news, but you already are. The drug addicts and slackers are already receiving free health insurance through the government. And if they aren't smart enough to figure out how to get free health insurance, they just don't pay the bill. Go to your local community hospital and they are required to provide you health care even if you have no intention on paying the bill, they money ends up coming from taxes payers like you and I.

So as a result my taxes go up, my doctors bills go up, my premiums go up, my deductible goes up, my max out of pocket goes up.

There is nothing more screwed up then paying for health insurance, going to the doctor, and still having so many doctors bills that you can not afford them all.

Re: Ohio's Health Care System is broken. Is Bob Hagan listening?
Posted by: Local Boob (IP Logged)
Date: November 03, 2008 12:19AM

Hagan? Please. All he does is blame the republicans for all the ills in the state. The only thing he's done for Ohio is kept running for office to qualify for a nice fat gov't pension.



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