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Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Vindy.com (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 04:12PM


Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Chris (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 04:12PM

This story just goes to show that you can't get straight answers from Muslims. Let's go over some of the main points.

"There are major misconceptions about Islam, one of which is that people see it as a strange religion, when it really is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity."

Islam sees itself as replacing Judaism and Christianity which it believes was subverted by others. Christianity does deny Judaic history in the Old Testament. Islam however denies the divinity of Christ and claims that Abraham was actually Muslim.

"To the contrary, said Dr. Iqbal, a pediatrician. Muslim women had rights long before other religions even thought about it, such as the right to own property and to divorce."

This is just a lie. Paul, in the Bible, talks about divorce in generic terms, not specifically for men only. To say that before Islam women were never allowed to leave their husbands is just wrong.

Also, he fails to mention that husbands are allowed to beat their wives (Qur'an 4:34). A woman's testimony is only 1/2 that of a man's (Qur'an 2:282). Or that women are described as a field in which the man can plow when he wants (ie have sex whenever he wants).

"Another major misconception is that Muslims use violence to get their way, Dr. Iqbal said."

The Qur'an, hadith, and surah are full of Mohammed committing violence to get his way. He broke a treaty early and slaughtered the men, and sold the women and children as slaves. (BTW, men are allowed to have sex with their female slave whenever they want) Violence is the basis of Islam.

"She found it amazing that the Quran, the Muslim's holy book, has never changed, while there are several versions of the Christian Bible."

Yes, the Qur'an has been changed, but competing versions were destroyed soon after the "definitive" version was decided on. When a Muslim says the Bible and Judaic texts have changed, they mean that they were altered from their original Islamic meanings. They don't mean there are different versions or language translations.

What happened at the mosque was da'wah. It's Islamic evangelism.

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Geoff (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 04:41PM

I'm glad to see them get out and disavow violence, but much of their presentation is da'wa (evangelism). First off, islam does not see itself as a "continuation" of Judaism and Christianity, but a wholesale replacement thereof, which may be found in the Quran (Q 5: 17, Q 9: 29, 30). Iqbal says islam does not oppress women, but how does he explain Q 4: 34, which says that a rebellious woman should be beaten or "scourged"? How about Q 2: 282 which again rates a woman's legal worth as half a man's? Or the requirement of four witnesses to prove rape?

And to say that islam does not preach violence is nonsensical: Q 8:12, Q 9:5, Q 9:29, Q 47:4, Q 2:190-193, Q 8:60, and so forth. The Quran has not changed? Absurd. A German team dug up Qurans last year (the Quran, considered to carry the literal word of God, may not be simply thrown away in islam) and found marked alterations between the modern Quran and the specimens from before the Third Caliph, who - curiously enough - gathered all copies of the Quran in existence at that time and had them all destroyed, then emitted his own version. Meanwhile, ancient versions of the NT are almost exactly identical to the modern forms.

If there is going to be honest discussion of the issues, then let it be so - with frank statements about what the Quran contains and what that means for non-muslims(called "kuffar" or "kufr", and explicitly commanded to either convert, submit or die in the Quran (Q 9: 29)); next would be for the likes of Iqbal to refute the Quran on these matters, much as liberal Christians refute the Bible on stoning homosexuals to death.

I recommend the readers visit www.jihadwatch.org. There is much to know if the truth is really being sought.

Geoff

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: muslims are vermin (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 10:04PM

open season on these rodents.....soon.

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Bill (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 10:24PM

Those wishing to learn about Islam should not go to a Mosque without doing their homework. Read the Qur’an, attached below. If you are short on time, start with Chapter 9. It is disturbing.

[skepticsannotatedbible.com]

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: muslims are vermin (IP Logged)
Date: September 09, 2007 11:18PM

the more i read this article the more i want to vomit.

why in the hell we're letting these virulent subhuman arab-baboon mongrel vermin into the US is beyond me.

deport 'em or mort 'em. and string up the lib pols that love these muzzies while you're at it.

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Joe Usstreet (IP Logged)
Date: September 10, 2007 01:28AM

Islam is a legitimate, peaceful religion like Aushwitz was a theme park...

Re: Mosque tour gets questions answered
Posted by: Rightside (IP Logged)
Date: September 10, 2007 07:54AM

Yes Yes Yes to the above posts. If we aren't careful we may just have one of those mongrels scratching at the Whitehouse door. I'm talking about Barack Hussein Obama. Check it out on "snopes.com", he's one of them, a lier. I can't believe he has gotten as far as he has.



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